Yeah, there is always a point where drafting someone makes sense, but this seems too early. And as if it cost the chance at moving back and getting another pick to make.
There have been a lot of large professional athletes who had foot problems. It’s hard to think of examples where things improved. And this isn’t even a guy who produced before getting hurt.
Exactly. Of course we want him to be a star... And there is a chance he is a star.... But I would have preferred a less risky really solid player. Dexter Lawrence was a stud in college. Caleb has just been a big fast guy who has average stats even when healthy
Every year we obsess about the draft consensus, and every year we break down how wrong it was. The consensus Thieneman pick just exposes how vapid this process is. Vikings are losing a white safety, they'll naturally replace him with a white safety - without a thought for how incomparable they are as players. I know people enjoy the draft, and go for it, I'm not here to rain on your parade. But let's all be real about it and acknowledge that nobody knows how a player will work out because they're human beings playing the most chaotic game in sports. So don't let picking one guy over another ruin your outlook on the season. I personally can't wait until it's all over so and we're talking real football again. Caleb Banks seems like a nice kid, who by his interview is keenly aware of his strengths and weaknesses. Cool. I hope he succeeds, and looking forward to seeing him on the field soon. Football.
I have zero problem with this. Fans want the team to either swing for the fences or play it safe and when they do either one fans complain. That's their right as fans. But I have no doubt Flores has his hand in this as they had multiple other options so I fully trust his judgement. Armchair physical therapists and orthopedic surgeons don't have access to what teams do. The foot is an issue. But every DT this year has issues.
This feels like evidence that maybe Kwesi wasn’t fully in charge of the draft process. This looks like more of the same for the past 4 years. This team is baffling.
I was a little over the top on the stream last night in my comment about the medical staff, but they do seem have way too much faith in their doctors on this kind of thing. Are they better than whatever team that was that misidentified a brain tumor or whatever it was? Yeah, sure. Do they have the magic wand advantage over other teams that the Vikings seem to think they have? Highly doubt it! I can be talked into there being a market inefficiency with injuries in the NFL. That would not surprise me at all. But it’s not just the injuries with Banks. Hate to compare him to the old guys who just left, but it’s another stab at a guy with injuries who wasn’t even that good production wise before the injury. Seems like a nice dude from the interviews, so hopefully it pays off. He has the potential to be a truly elite player if you go off his RAS and his seven highlight plays.
I believe his comments were intended to go beyond the medical staff. Person for person, Minnesota is highly regarded as some of the best medical practice in the country, if not the world. So his comments are well founded. The reinjury is a little concerning, but a broken foot is being talked about like it's a terminal illness. It may give him arthritis when he's 45 but like Matt said the biggest factor now is just the experience lost. By all accounts he needs to improve his technique, so he came to the right place. I can understand not being over the moon about the pick in theory, but the player makes a lot of sense. So we'll see what happens.
I’m more talking about their actions over the last few years than whatever comments were made last night. Between Jones, Allen, Hargrave, Kelly, and probably a few other guys I’m forgetting, they’ve had a trend of signing players that are older with injury histories and touting their exceptional medical staff as a reason for the moves. It’d be one thing if they signed these guys at a discount to take advantage of some market inefficiency, but they paid top or near top dollar for all of these guys. Just seems like they think they’re smarter than the rest of the league on this stuff, which always makes me think they’re in line to make a huge blunder.
Yeah, I haven't really taken their comments that way. They're going to project confidence, why wouldn't they? It's pointless to go up to the podium and second guess yourself to the press, who is already going to happily provide a counterpoint.
But inside the building they know they need to have a winning team, which requires veteran players, they know the risks, they know the ceiling if it pays off and the consequences if it doesn't. Which is why they're paying the piper this year instead of pushing it to next year.
I know people have baggage with franchises but the NFL is just so random and transient that I almost like an underdog, a project player that gets great over time. So many players explode onto the scene then fade into the background and are out before you know it. I like the Dallas Turner, even the McCarthy's though it turned out to be bad timing fit the latter. Maybe I'd feel a little different if Banks was already 25 but he just turned 23. We'll see I guess. I'm so bored talking hypotheticals and starved for real football by draft time that I'd watch a Jets TNF game.
It's pretty obvious that Darrisaw worked his butt off to be back ahead of schedule. It's one thing to be medically cleared, it's another to be fully healed. I don't know how that's been such a mystery or topic of debate last season. If you've ever been injured in a sport you know that recovery timetables don't perfectly align with the flow of the season. You play when you can and test the limits without going beyond. They're also a mental component to trusting the healed injured, which it seems like he struggled with at times.
1. Darrisaw could (and we now know should) have started the season on PUP. He didn't. That's bad injury/roster management.
2. Darrisaw later commented that his recovery was supposed to be much longer than it was. KOC made comments that suggested he didn't know what was going on with Darrisaw's taking himself out of games. That's also really odd.
3. Are there examples you can point to of someone coming back from reconstructive surgery, starting one week, missing the next, and starting and taking himself out of games? Because none come to mind. Normally the player is hurt, has surgery, rehabs, begins to practice, and then once he returns to play, he plays.
The overall point is that the Vikings have a recent history of ignoring/mismanaging injuries and assuming all will be well. It hasn't been. With that context, drafting a large man who has had two foot injuries in the last year seems to be a continuation of the same problem.
Simply put, terrible pick. You might have been able to get him AND Mekhi Lemon, Thenimann, etc. Just such bad process. Honestly, just so sick of this team LOL
This one left me and my friends scratching our heads. I think there’s a decent chance he would’ve been there at 40, and they could’ve either traded way back and gotten capital for next year, or traded up from their pick today and taken someone else R1.
I’m going to be irate when Thieneman is a great player for the Bears.
The player isn't the problem (we'll see on that), it's the process. The teams that consistently draft well (the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Rams at least before last night) understand what's transpiring around them and adjust accordingly to try and maximize the value they're getting out of each draft. The Vikings seemingly go in having already decided what they're going to do. Unless the other teams in the NFL have decided to never include them in any trade discussions over the last few years, they've consistently passed up getting more picks in order to take guys that they overvalue because they fill a need. They're still spooked by the '22 disaster, which was another case of being hellbent on doing one thing regardless of how the draft is actually playing out.
And all this talk that their training staff has some sort of big advantage over the rest of the league is magical thinking that hopefully ends with the new GM.
Don't disagree. My additional question is, can we as a team develop a player in that position who needs the work on fundamentals? Also, did this happen because our staff is swinging for the fences because their jobs are on the line?
If that were the reason, it would be for someone who is expected to contribute immediately, wouldn’t it? This was a huge assumption of risk, but it’s not supposed to yield instant results.
Maybe this was the Vikings reaching for a freaky DT whose career might be threatened by a chronic injury in an attempt to reverse the cosmos that ruined Sharrif Floyd’s career.
I think most of us understand the bet but also would think we could have gotten a 3rd rounder in a trade down and still get banks
As for often injured players with mediocre results (up until now) and will they work out?
I suggest this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po4adxJxqZk
Did it work for these people?
It never does, these people somehow delude themselves into think it might but.....
But it might work for us.
Yeah, there is always a point where drafting someone makes sense, but this seems too early. And as if it cost the chance at moving back and getting another pick to make.
There have been a lot of large professional athletes who had foot problems. It’s hard to think of examples where things improved. And this isn’t even a guy who produced before getting hurt.
Exactly. Of course we want him to be a star... And there is a chance he is a star.... But I would have preferred a less risky really solid player. Dexter Lawrence was a stud in college. Caleb has just been a big fast guy who has average stats even when healthy
Every year we obsess about the draft consensus, and every year we break down how wrong it was. The consensus Thieneman pick just exposes how vapid this process is. Vikings are losing a white safety, they'll naturally replace him with a white safety - without a thought for how incomparable they are as players. I know people enjoy the draft, and go for it, I'm not here to rain on your parade. But let's all be real about it and acknowledge that nobody knows how a player will work out because they're human beings playing the most chaotic game in sports. So don't let picking one guy over another ruin your outlook on the season. I personally can't wait until it's all over so and we're talking real football again. Caleb Banks seems like a nice kid, who by his interview is keenly aware of his strengths and weaknesses. Cool. I hope he succeeds, and looking forward to seeing him on the field soon. Football.
I have zero problem with this. Fans want the team to either swing for the fences or play it safe and when they do either one fans complain. That's their right as fans. But I have no doubt Flores has his hand in this as they had multiple other options so I fully trust his judgement. Armchair physical therapists and orthopedic surgeons don't have access to what teams do. The foot is an issue. But every DT this year has issues.
This feels like evidence that maybe Kwesi wasn’t fully in charge of the draft process. This looks like more of the same for the past 4 years. This team is baffling.
I was a little over the top on the stream last night in my comment about the medical staff, but they do seem have way too much faith in their doctors on this kind of thing. Are they better than whatever team that was that misidentified a brain tumor or whatever it was? Yeah, sure. Do they have the magic wand advantage over other teams that the Vikings seem to think they have? Highly doubt it! I can be talked into there being a market inefficiency with injuries in the NFL. That would not surprise me at all. But it’s not just the injuries with Banks. Hate to compare him to the old guys who just left, but it’s another stab at a guy with injuries who wasn’t even that good production wise before the injury. Seems like a nice dude from the interviews, so hopefully it pays off. He has the potential to be a truly elite player if you go off his RAS and his seven highlight plays.
I believe his comments were intended to go beyond the medical staff. Person for person, Minnesota is highly regarded as some of the best medical practice in the country, if not the world. So his comments are well founded. The reinjury is a little concerning, but a broken foot is being talked about like it's a terminal illness. It may give him arthritis when he's 45 but like Matt said the biggest factor now is just the experience lost. By all accounts he needs to improve his technique, so he came to the right place. I can understand not being over the moon about the pick in theory, but the player makes a lot of sense. So we'll see what happens.
I’m more talking about their actions over the last few years than whatever comments were made last night. Between Jones, Allen, Hargrave, Kelly, and probably a few other guys I’m forgetting, they’ve had a trend of signing players that are older with injury histories and touting their exceptional medical staff as a reason for the moves. It’d be one thing if they signed these guys at a discount to take advantage of some market inefficiency, but they paid top or near top dollar for all of these guys. Just seems like they think they’re smarter than the rest of the league on this stuff, which always makes me think they’re in line to make a huge blunder.
Yeah, I haven't really taken their comments that way. They're going to project confidence, why wouldn't they? It's pointless to go up to the podium and second guess yourself to the press, who is already going to happily provide a counterpoint.
But inside the building they know they need to have a winning team, which requires veteran players, they know the risks, they know the ceiling if it pays off and the consequences if it doesn't. Which is why they're paying the piper this year instead of pushing it to next year.
I know people have baggage with franchises but the NFL is just so random and transient that I almost like an underdog, a project player that gets great over time. So many players explode onto the scene then fade into the background and are out before you know it. I like the Dallas Turner, even the McCarthy's though it turned out to be bad timing fit the latter. Maybe I'd feel a little different if Banks was already 25 but he just turned 23. We'll see I guess. I'm so bored talking hypotheticals and starved for real football by draft time that I'd watch a Jets TNF game.
The comments aren’t the issue, agreed, we should expect positivity after making a pick.
But, the decision-making process in signings and the hot mess of Darrisaw’s return was already rather troubling.
It's pretty obvious that Darrisaw worked his butt off to be back ahead of schedule. It's one thing to be medically cleared, it's another to be fully healed. I don't know how that's been such a mystery or topic of debate last season. If you've ever been injured in a sport you know that recovery timetables don't perfectly align with the flow of the season. You play when you can and test the limits without going beyond. They're also a mental component to trusting the healed injured, which it seems like he struggled with at times.
1. Darrisaw could (and we now know should) have started the season on PUP. He didn't. That's bad injury/roster management.
2. Darrisaw later commented that his recovery was supposed to be much longer than it was. KOC made comments that suggested he didn't know what was going on with Darrisaw's taking himself out of games. That's also really odd.
3. Are there examples you can point to of someone coming back from reconstructive surgery, starting one week, missing the next, and starting and taking himself out of games? Because none come to mind. Normally the player is hurt, has surgery, rehabs, begins to practice, and then once he returns to play, he plays.
The overall point is that the Vikings have a recent history of ignoring/mismanaging injuries and assuming all will be well. It hasn't been. With that context, drafting a large man who has had two foot injuries in the last year seems to be a continuation of the same problem.
Anyway, I loved the McCarthy pick, so what the hell do I know.
Simply put, terrible pick. You might have been able to get him AND Mekhi Lemon, Thenimann, etc. Just such bad process. Honestly, just so sick of this team LOL
This one left me and my friends scratching our heads. I think there’s a decent chance he would’ve been there at 40, and they could’ve either traded way back and gotten capital for next year, or traded up from their pick today and taken someone else R1.
I’m going to be irate when Thieneman is a great player for the Bears.
The player isn't the problem (we'll see on that), it's the process. The teams that consistently draft well (the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Rams at least before last night) understand what's transpiring around them and adjust accordingly to try and maximize the value they're getting out of each draft. The Vikings seemingly go in having already decided what they're going to do. Unless the other teams in the NFL have decided to never include them in any trade discussions over the last few years, they've consistently passed up getting more picks in order to take guys that they overvalue because they fill a need. They're still spooked by the '22 disaster, which was another case of being hellbent on doing one thing regardless of how the draft is actually playing out.
And all this talk that their training staff has some sort of big advantage over the rest of the league is magical thinking that hopefully ends with the new GM.
Hey maybe the Vikings can get Jermod McCoy too!
All-questionable medicals draft!
Flores fingerprints are all over this one, but why not a no brainer at the safety position?
Don't disagree. My additional question is, can we as a team develop a player in that position who needs the work on fundamentals? Also, did this happen because our staff is swinging for the fences because their jobs are on the line?
If that were the reason, it would be for someone who is expected to contribute immediately, wouldn’t it? This was a huge assumption of risk, but it’s not supposed to yield instant results.
Very true
2026 is gonna be extra spicy...
Maybe this was the Vikings reaching for a freaky DT whose career might be threatened by a chronic injury in an attempt to reverse the cosmos that ruined Sharrif Floyd’s career.
Might is doing all the work here: "Because he might become a monster."
Two separate foot injuries at 22 years old
Played three games last year
Should have taken a DT in the 2nd round
Banks was a reach