I am game for more 3 WR sets, at least if those of us that are optimistic about our depth WRs are correct. That said, I could see Hill's performance dictating some of this - if he struggles and we need to give him help on a good chunk of plays, that may control a lot of what we can and can't do on offense (e.g., I could see us swapping to a bunch of 21 personnel, where we have Ham/Ameer and Conklin instead of Irv and Conklin). Frankly I am kind of expecting this in a resigned kind of way (because I prefer seeing a 3WR version of this offense), as it feels somewhat unlikely that Zimmer just accurately exposed his week 1 game plan to the Bengals.
Also, a curious factor is that ever since leading the league in 3 WR sets in both 2017 and 2018 (peaking in a whopping 89% of snaps in 11 personnel in 2018), the Rams have heavily dropped their 3WR sets in both of the last two years, from 73% in 2019 all the way down to 65% in 2020, which was only 14th in the NFL. They started moving away from 11 personnel just as they starting increasing their 12 personnel, and in fact I think that the Rams led the league in 12 personnel usage through December (the Rams did at one point midway through December, but I am having trouble verifying that that held true through the month). When asked about the change, McVay said that "where [the defense has] got some heavy edges, being able to have seven true bodies committed to the blocking surface gives you a little bit more versatility in what you can activate in the run game, as opposed to when you’re just in your three-receiver sets."
Curiously the top of the leaderboard for 11 personnel from last year includes both great offenses and terrible offenses, with Cincy at 1st with 76% usage (they were 29th in offensive DVOA last year) Steelers at 2nd with 75% (they were 22nd in offensive DVOA) KC (2nd overall) and Jax (27th overall) tied for 2nd with 73%, Buffalo tied with the Jets, Dallas, and the Chargers for 5th, etc. Basically, high 3WR sets don't seem to have a strong correlation with good or smart offenses. Doesn't change the fact that I want more than a crazy low 29% of 11 personnel, though.
Two crazy stats - the 29% of 11 personnel the Vikings deployed last year is actually an *increase* from the year prior, when they somehow only used 11 personnel in 25% of their snaps, bizarrely (that was probably at least because of the massive blowouts they had early in the year). Further, we all know that the Vikings had a somewhat dumb pass strategy in 2018 (not dumb because it passed a lot, but because of how it structured the passing game to ignore what Kirk did well/poor), but I was still surprised to see that they were comfortably above the NFL average at 11 personnel with 68% usage, coming in at 12th in the NFL. Or, put differently, the Vikings used more 11 personnel in 2018 than the Rams did last year. Good bit of bar trivia right there :)
Enjoyed the read :) I would like to at least see us try 3 WR more than occasionally. I hated to see that Irv Smith is injured. I hope the repair goes well for his sake. Its a loss but I'd hate to see him risk his career not getting it completely taken care of. It is a significant blow to our offense. It would be a difficult situation in any case but what in the world were we doing giving a FOURTH and a SIXTH for Chris Herndon?~? I haven't had a chance to look up what Herndon's PFF grade is. Anyway good read, I'm more than a little nervous about the performance this year. I set the record at 8/9 and as we go forward its looking more and more realistic.
Glad Sumia and Dozier are, at least at this point, no longer Vikings :)
I take the point that there are two good Sams in the world. The flip side to that coin, though, is how few Robert Woods's there are. Q come to mind, Hines Ward and Steve Smith liked a good cheap shot or sucker punch, and Patriots receivers had to block, but then. . .
The moral of the story seems to be if one has a 3 down Sam, one can do a lot with that. If one has an equally rare WR (much less stable of WRs) who can effectively block, one can do a lot with that. If neither of those apply, the options shrink faster than George in the ocean. . .
I am game for more 3 WR sets, at least if those of us that are optimistic about our depth WRs are correct. That said, I could see Hill's performance dictating some of this - if he struggles and we need to give him help on a good chunk of plays, that may control a lot of what we can and can't do on offense (e.g., I could see us swapping to a bunch of 21 personnel, where we have Ham/Ameer and Conklin instead of Irv and Conklin). Frankly I am kind of expecting this in a resigned kind of way (because I prefer seeing a 3WR version of this offense), as it feels somewhat unlikely that Zimmer just accurately exposed his week 1 game plan to the Bengals.
Also, a curious factor is that ever since leading the league in 3 WR sets in both 2017 and 2018 (peaking in a whopping 89% of snaps in 11 personnel in 2018), the Rams have heavily dropped their 3WR sets in both of the last two years, from 73% in 2019 all the way down to 65% in 2020, which was only 14th in the NFL. They started moving away from 11 personnel just as they starting increasing their 12 personnel, and in fact I think that the Rams led the league in 12 personnel usage through December (the Rams did at one point midway through December, but I am having trouble verifying that that held true through the month). When asked about the change, McVay said that "where [the defense has] got some heavy edges, being able to have seven true bodies committed to the blocking surface gives you a little bit more versatility in what you can activate in the run game, as opposed to when you’re just in your three-receiver sets."
Curiously the top of the leaderboard for 11 personnel from last year includes both great offenses and terrible offenses, with Cincy at 1st with 76% usage (they were 29th in offensive DVOA last year) Steelers at 2nd with 75% (they were 22nd in offensive DVOA) KC (2nd overall) and Jax (27th overall) tied for 2nd with 73%, Buffalo tied with the Jets, Dallas, and the Chargers for 5th, etc. Basically, high 3WR sets don't seem to have a strong correlation with good or smart offenses. Doesn't change the fact that I want more than a crazy low 29% of 11 personnel, though.
Two crazy stats - the 29% of 11 personnel the Vikings deployed last year is actually an *increase* from the year prior, when they somehow only used 11 personnel in 25% of their snaps, bizarrely (that was probably at least because of the massive blowouts they had early in the year). Further, we all know that the Vikings had a somewhat dumb pass strategy in 2018 (not dumb because it passed a lot, but because of how it structured the passing game to ignore what Kirk did well/poor), but I was still surprised to see that they were comfortably above the NFL average at 11 personnel with 68% usage, coming in at 12th in the NFL. Or, put differently, the Vikings used more 11 personnel in 2018 than the Rams did last year. Good bit of bar trivia right there :)
3 WR sets and more motion?
Yes please
Enjoyed the read :) I would like to at least see us try 3 WR more than occasionally. I hated to see that Irv Smith is injured. I hope the repair goes well for his sake. Its a loss but I'd hate to see him risk his career not getting it completely taken care of. It is a significant blow to our offense. It would be a difficult situation in any case but what in the world were we doing giving a FOURTH and a SIXTH for Chris Herndon?~? I haven't had a chance to look up what Herndon's PFF grade is. Anyway good read, I'm more than a little nervous about the performance this year. I set the record at 8/9 and as we go forward its looking more and more realistic.
Glad Sumia and Dozier are, at least at this point, no longer Vikings :)
I take the point that there are two good Sams in the world. The flip side to that coin, though, is how few Robert Woods's there are. Q come to mind, Hines Ward and Steve Smith liked a good cheap shot or sucker punch, and Patriots receivers had to block, but then. . .
The moral of the story seems to be if one has a 3 down Sam, one can do a lot with that. If one has an equally rare WR (much less stable of WRs) who can effectively block, one can do a lot with that. If neither of those apply, the options shrink faster than George in the ocean. . .