On the potential Greenard trade, I think we just have to get used to the fact that they’re more likely than not drafting a QB in 2027 and restarting the Super Bowl timeline in 2028. Is there a world where Murray signs and is amazing and we wish they would’ve gone all in this year to the detriment of future years? Sure, but it’s not that likely. If you think about Greenard in terms of 2028 and after, the trade makes a good amount of sense, assuming you get good compensation for him.
That's it exactly, except what would going all-in look like? Overpaying for a very mediocre UFA class? Keeping ok-but-not-great players in their 30s hoping they are exceptions to everything we know about aging patterns?
It's sadly telling that D. Hunter just secured another $40, while Greenard asked for a raise coming off a 3 sack season and may be on his way to MSP. Greenard is a fine player, but if he is traded, it will be informative what kind of return he gets, compared to e.g. Crosby.
Yeah, I don’t know that people expected a full “all in” offseason, but it definitely would’ve been to keep at least one of the old DTs, keep Greenard for sure, and void year a bunch of contracts so you could plug all of the gaps with at least a few semi splashy FAs, which they may still do for all we know. But Greenard would be 31 going into 2028, and that is when a lot of edge rushers fall off a good bit. If 28’ is the new goal to be a legit contender, it makes sense to trade JG for quality picks if you can get them for him.
1. NE spent $275 last year. That's not going all-in, the UFA spending was taking advantage of what we all know about having a QB on a rookie K. Conversely, KAM spent $350. Apples and oranges--or if one prefers, competence and hot mess.
2. The DTs who got cut are a long way from 1997 John Randle and 2016 Linval Joseph. Moreover, Allen/Hargrave are 31/33 and more likely to be worse/injured in 2026 than they were in 2025--when they combined for 7 sacks. For context, in '23 Phillips and Bullard combined for 5 sacks.
Moving on from Allen/Hargrave isn't about the Wilfs or anything else beyond cleaning up that hot mess.
I’ll have to go back and watch some more Sadiq tape. My first inclination when watching him was that he was clearly an elite athlete but he wasn’t a very polished route runner, which is something KOC seems to value in Hockenson. Maybe he’ll get there in a year or two, but it feels like you’d need to have a lot more of the Shanahan type plays where the TE is leaked out and just wide open. They also just have a lot of other needs that are more pressing to me. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world, but don’t see it happening. A Sadiq and Kyler offense would be pretty interesting, though. At that point, I think you are starting to veer pretty far away from what KOC has done in the past scheme wise.
truly... like the wilfs, I just wanna see victories, not overly concerned about who's wearing purple for the overall cause. ya know, fandom over fanatical...
BUT
the whole "one piece away" and "superbowl win-now roster" narratives are officially played out. veteran desires and Jefferson longevity doesn't affect my pearl clenching. coach whispering sweet nothings has run its course.
the staff that is currently employed made decisions up till this point (QB for instance), and now its a complete shoulder shrug on who's responsible for what going forward. nobody is obligated to share battle plans with public or reporters... but the lack of a confident or cohesive plan is just outright deflating this offseason.
maybe everything will be awesome come mid-season, mccarthy doing what he needs to be doing, coach delivering rousing victory speeches, nfc north bloodbath, good times on the horizon... lately though, my fandom almost prefers a reset over whatever this flailing is...
On the potential Greenard trade, I think we just have to get used to the fact that they’re more likely than not drafting a QB in 2027 and restarting the Super Bowl timeline in 2028. Is there a world where Murray signs and is amazing and we wish they would’ve gone all in this year to the detriment of future years? Sure, but it’s not that likely. If you think about Greenard in terms of 2028 and after, the trade makes a good amount of sense, assuming you get good compensation for him.
That's it exactly, except what would going all-in look like? Overpaying for a very mediocre UFA class? Keeping ok-but-not-great players in their 30s hoping they are exceptions to everything we know about aging patterns?
It's sadly telling that D. Hunter just secured another $40, while Greenard asked for a raise coming off a 3 sack season and may be on his way to MSP. Greenard is a fine player, but if he is traded, it will be informative what kind of return he gets, compared to e.g. Crosby.
Yeah, I don’t know that people expected a full “all in” offseason, but it definitely would’ve been to keep at least one of the old DTs, keep Greenard for sure, and void year a bunch of contracts so you could plug all of the gaps with at least a few semi splashy FAs, which they may still do for all we know. But Greenard would be 31 going into 2028, and that is when a lot of edge rushers fall off a good bit. If 28’ is the new goal to be a legit contender, it makes sense to trade JG for quality picks if you can get them for him.
Two small facts that seem to get lost:
1. NE spent $275 last year. That's not going all-in, the UFA spending was taking advantage of what we all know about having a QB on a rookie K. Conversely, KAM spent $350. Apples and oranges--or if one prefers, competence and hot mess.
2. The DTs who got cut are a long way from 1997 John Randle and 2016 Linval Joseph. Moreover, Allen/Hargrave are 31/33 and more likely to be worse/injured in 2026 than they were in 2025--when they combined for 7 sacks. For context, in '23 Phillips and Bullard combined for 5 sacks.
Moving on from Allen/Hargrave isn't about the Wilfs or anything else beyond cleaning up that hot mess.
I’ll have to go back and watch some more Sadiq tape. My first inclination when watching him was that he was clearly an elite athlete but he wasn’t a very polished route runner, which is something KOC seems to value in Hockenson. Maybe he’ll get there in a year or two, but it feels like you’d need to have a lot more of the Shanahan type plays where the TE is leaked out and just wide open. They also just have a lot of other needs that are more pressing to me. Wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world, but don’t see it happening. A Sadiq and Kyler offense would be pretty interesting, though. At that point, I think you are starting to veer pretty far away from what KOC has done in the past scheme wise.
truly... like the wilfs, I just wanna see victories, not overly concerned about who's wearing purple for the overall cause. ya know, fandom over fanatical...
BUT
the whole "one piece away" and "superbowl win-now roster" narratives are officially played out. veteran desires and Jefferson longevity doesn't affect my pearl clenching. coach whispering sweet nothings has run its course.
the staff that is currently employed made decisions up till this point (QB for instance), and now its a complete shoulder shrug on who's responsible for what going forward. nobody is obligated to share battle plans with public or reporters... but the lack of a confident or cohesive plan is just outright deflating this offseason.
maybe everything will be awesome come mid-season, mccarthy doing what he needs to be doing, coach delivering rousing victory speeches, nfc north bloodbath, good times on the horizon... lately though, my fandom almost prefers a reset over whatever this flailing is...