To a certain extent, what is being implied is that while QBs are the most premium of positions (nobody is trading for or getting Mahomes in FA) some other positions (LT, stud DTs) have more premium than the market has given them and that factors into the trade pricing.
SF was built on 5-7 studs and the rest interchangeable guys (all decent, but not like the true stars)..
Yeah, QBs belong in their own category. Frankly, from a labour perspective it's kind of odd that they are in the same bargaining unit as everyone else, and aren't considered management.
Philly and SF have their stars, and then good depth that they cycle through. Hargrave and Milt Williams were allowed to walk, but Carter isn't going anywhere and we've seen how they've built their OL. Likewise, the Healthy Bosa and Trent Williams are constants but Buckner was traded, Armstead was let go, and McGlinchey went to Denver.
The key positions remain key, e.g. when Staley retired the 9ers went after Williams (thank you, Danny Snyder!). But, some positions age much more gracefully than others and teams have their own roster priorities.
Spielman did let the roster get too old, but his biggest issue was paying premium prices for players who didn't make splash plays.
The great Tony Stark once said, “I can’t do the equation unless I have all the variables.”
Who are the absolute stick and pick players for the Vikings and are they available when the Vikings are on the clock? Are there half a dozen very attractive players you could still get in moving down 5-10 spots? Everyone says this is a weird year for the draft so I wonder if some of the normal data Matthew cites is as relevant?
For me the stick and pick at 24 are Grant, Zabel, and Banks, but if they’re gone and Kwesi can pull off some Jui jitsu and get 2 of these players in the second, G Donovan Jackson, CBs DL Alexander or Collins, CBs Amos or Thomas that would be amazing, wouldn’t it?
In the end I have my favorite players like most of us do, but even if I don’t love the idea of Starks or Emmanwori, or Booker, or Nolen, or Barron or Revel or Morrison for a variety pack of reasons… all I really hope is that whoever they pick is good to great. Given the hit and miss nature of the draft maybe this year gives us several hits—it's time for the anti-2022 draft.
The last point is an interesting one--there will inevitably be some years where there aren't 24 players who seem to be worth the capital of the 24th pick. Ideally the front office and coaches do feel great about their 1st round pick, but just as what you pay a UFA doesn't make him any better, where you draft a guy doesn't impact how good he actually is.
Obviously, in that situation one should try to trade back, and obtain a premium of draft capital because the other party wants to move up. But if that kind of trade isn't available, the best thing is to stick at 24, take a guy at a premium* position and hopefully he's better than you thought he was.
*Guard is interesting, the salaries have moved such that they are paid like premium players, but they are also far more readily available than good OTs or WRs.
I think sticking and picking Grant or Harmon at 24 is ideal. I’d actually consider moving up 10-15 spots from 97 (future picks) if any of the iOL we expect to go round 2 are falling. Otherwise, I’d look for a WR like Jaylin Noel or Kyle Williams, or a safety like Mukuba or Winston Jr. Pick 139 is Brashard Smith all the way for me if he’s still there. I’d actually be fine with taking him at 97.
To a certain extent, what is being implied is that while QBs are the most premium of positions (nobody is trading for or getting Mahomes in FA) some other positions (LT, stud DTs) have more premium than the market has given them and that factors into the trade pricing.
SF was built on 5-7 studs and the rest interchangeable guys (all decent, but not like the true stars)..
Yeah, QBs belong in their own category. Frankly, from a labour perspective it's kind of odd that they are in the same bargaining unit as everyone else, and aren't considered management.
Philly and SF have their stars, and then good depth that they cycle through. Hargrave and Milt Williams were allowed to walk, but Carter isn't going anywhere and we've seen how they've built their OL. Likewise, the Healthy Bosa and Trent Williams are constants but Buckner was traded, Armstead was let go, and McGlinchey went to Denver.
Even with the stars there is an aging curve where you have consider them less essential. Basically what Kwesi had to deal with when he came in
The key positions remain key, e.g. when Staley retired the 9ers went after Williams (thank you, Danny Snyder!). But, some positions age much more gracefully than others and teams have their own roster priorities.
Spielman did let the roster get too old, but his biggest issue was paying premium prices for players who didn't make splash plays.
The great Tony Stark once said, “I can’t do the equation unless I have all the variables.”
Who are the absolute stick and pick players for the Vikings and are they available when the Vikings are on the clock? Are there half a dozen very attractive players you could still get in moving down 5-10 spots? Everyone says this is a weird year for the draft so I wonder if some of the normal data Matthew cites is as relevant?
For me the stick and pick at 24 are Grant, Zabel, and Banks, but if they’re gone and Kwesi can pull off some Jui jitsu and get 2 of these players in the second, G Donovan Jackson, CBs DL Alexander or Collins, CBs Amos or Thomas that would be amazing, wouldn’t it?
In the end I have my favorite players like most of us do, but even if I don’t love the idea of Starks or Emmanwori, or Booker, or Nolen, or Barron or Revel or Morrison for a variety pack of reasons… all I really hope is that whoever they pick is good to great. Given the hit and miss nature of the draft maybe this year gives us several hits—it's time for the anti-2022 draft.
The last point is an interesting one--there will inevitably be some years where there aren't 24 players who seem to be worth the capital of the 24th pick. Ideally the front office and coaches do feel great about their 1st round pick, but just as what you pay a UFA doesn't make him any better, where you draft a guy doesn't impact how good he actually is.
Obviously, in that situation one should try to trade back, and obtain a premium of draft capital because the other party wants to move up. But if that kind of trade isn't available, the best thing is to stick at 24, take a guy at a premium* position and hopefully he's better than you thought he was.
*Guard is interesting, the salaries have moved such that they are paid like premium players, but they are also far more readily available than good OTs or WRs.
I think sticking and picking Grant or Harmon at 24 is ideal. I’d actually consider moving up 10-15 spots from 97 (future picks) if any of the iOL we expect to go round 2 are falling. Otherwise, I’d look for a WR like Jaylin Noel or Kyle Williams, or a safety like Mukuba or Winston Jr. Pick 139 is Brashard Smith all the way for me if he’s still there. I’d actually be fine with taking him at 97.